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spending cuts begin. >>> a cloud of political uncertainty hanging over venezuela. president hugo chavez announced that his cancer has return and he's traveling to cuba for surgery for a third time. this time, the 58-year-old leader, named the vice president as his choice to replace him in case something were to happen to happen. >>> a man who shot three people to death on an indian reservation in california has been killed. police near fresno were involved in the shootout with the man who reportedly opened fire earlier on several people, three of whom died. his two young daughters were wounded, and police chased the suspect and said he shot at them, too. no word yet on what prompted his rampage. >>> the national menorah in front of the white house, illuminated tonight, marking the eight-day start of the jewish holiday hanukkah. ♪ of course, no hanukkah celebration would be complete without a spinning draddel. this was performed by the u.s. navy band. >>> the fiscal cliff grabbing the headlines in washington. but that's not the only big event at the nation's capit
spending cuts begin. >>> a cloud of political uncertainty hanging over venezuela. president hugo chavez announced that his cancer has return and he's traveling to cuba for surgery for a third time. this time, the 58-year-old leader, named the vice president as his choice to replace him in case something were to happen to happen. >>> a man who shot three people to death on an indian reservation in california has been killed. police near fresno were involved in the shootout with...
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president obama used his weekly address insisting he is ready to make the tough decisions on spending cuts. >> i am willing to make more entitlement spending cuts on top of the one trillion in spending cuts i signed into law last year. but if we're serious about reducing our deficit while still investing in things like education and research that are important to growing our economy, and if we're serious about protecting middle class families then we're also going to have to ask the wealthiest americans to pay higher tax rates. that is one principle i wouldn't compromise on. >> speaker john boehner has a different view. he says the president needs to abandon what he called his "my way or the highway approach," in his words. if the president does that a lot of things are possible. >>> syrian rebels are battling army units around the capital. activists say 26 people were killed in the damascus suburbs today, while 29 more were killed around the country. meanwhile, the u.s. and other officials warning against chemical weapons. syria says it would never use the chemical weapons against it
president obama used his weekly address insisting he is ready to make the tough decisions on spending cuts. >> i am willing to make more entitlement spending cuts on top of the one trillion in spending cuts i signed into law last year. but if we're serious about reducing our deficit while still investing in things like education and research that are important to growing our economy, and if we're serious about protecting middle class families then we're also going to have to ask the...
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one of them by president obama, that was yesterday, then a counteroffer by the speaker. that was today. all of this as the president tells abc news tonight that he is confident that republicans will not hold middle class tax cuts hostage. so there's a lot of news that's all of a sudden coming out. after some relative quiet. our white house correspondent dan lothian is on the case and joins me now by telephone, because you've been working your sources. take me into the conversation. all of this breaking late today and it sounds good. it sounds at least like there's some movement, dan. >> reporter: that's right. that's always been the issue, because as you know, it was just last week we were talking about the fact that there were no talks ongoing, not even behind the scenes, and now these latest developments and as you pointed out, we didn't even know the white house had submitted another offer yesterday but confirmation coming from a senior administration official that in fact, the white house did submit that offer yesterday to house republicans. today there was a counter
one of them by president obama, that was yesterday, then a counteroffer by the speaker. that was today. all of this as the president tells abc news tonight that he is confident that republicans will not hold middle class tax cuts hostage. so there's a lot of news that's all of a sudden coming out. after some relative quiet. our white house correspondent dan lothian is on the case and joins me now by telephone, because you've been working your sources. take me into the conversation. all of this...
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the things that people are talking about now, specifically very important people like president obama and speaker boehner, is the tax code and these programs that we sometimes call entitlements, medicare, medicaid and social security. those are the things that are on the table at the moment, not defense. unless the bargain fails, unless the two sides cannot get together and then the thing that will happen, and it will happen quickly, are drastic cuts in defense and domestic spending and an automatic increase in taxes. that is what must be avoided. just because the economy couldn't take it at this stage. we've had relatively slow growth in the economy, and though it seems to be picking up and the last jobs report was quite favorable, having a crash austerity program right now, that's what the fiscal cliff is, would be a big mistake. so the two sides have to get together on this grand bargain. >> well, we certainly hope they do. alice rivlin, thank you very much. >> you're welcome. >>> switching gears now. what is the future for the pop star psy? he may have the most popular video in th
the things that people are talking about now, specifically very important people like president obama and speaker boehner, is the tax code and these programs that we sometimes call entitlements, medicare, medicaid and social security. those are the things that are on the table at the moment, not defense. unless the bargain fails, unless the two sides cannot get together and then the thing that will happen, and it will happen quickly, are drastic cuts in defense and domestic spending and an...
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. >> in his weekly white house address this morning, president obama responded to boehner's remark. >> i'm willing to make more entitlement spending cuts on top of the one trillion dollars in spending cuts i signed into law last year. but if we're serious about reducing our deficit while still investing in things like education and research that are important to growing our economy, and if we're serious about protecting middle class families, then we're also going to have to ask the wealthiest americans to pay higher tax rates. that's one principle i won't compromise on. >>> holiday hiring may have given a big boost to the jobs report released yesterday. retail hirers hired more people than any month on record since 1939. 146,000 jobs were added to the economy last month, and the unemployment rate fell to a four-year low of 7.7% partly because thousands have just simply stopped looking for work. >>> more good news for your wallet. gas prices are down to an average of $3.36. it is the 16th consecutive time the price has dropped. the highest price for a gallon of regular is in high wher
. >> in his weekly white house address this morning, president obama responded to boehner's remark. >> i'm willing to make more entitlement spending cuts on top of the one trillion dollars in spending cuts i signed into law last year. but if we're serious about reducing our deficit while still investing in things like education and research that are important to growing our economy, and if we're serious about protecting middle class families, then we're also going to have to ask the...
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president obama and house speaker john boehner met privately sunday in a surprise meeting, but they're not commenting much in public on whether there's been much progress. joining me now is political science professor and political chief correspondent for politics 365, jason johnson, and republican strategist, ron bon john. some say the fact that we're not hearing much of washington is a good sign, and in this case, silence is golden. you guys agree? >> yeah, i definitely do. look, one of the things that we've got to realize here is that the more that this fight takes place in public, the less is being done behind closed doors, because everyone feels that they have to justify the public rhetoric. so i think that we have two silences going on. there's barack obama and john boehner working things out and the republicans realizing that they've got to find a way to negotiate. so silence is golden for christmas season. >> do you agree, ron bonjean? >> yes, i completely agree. i think that silence is best. and right now while they're figuring out how to put a deal together, i think the presi
president obama and house speaker john boehner met privately sunday in a surprise meeting, but they're not commenting much in public on whether there's been much progress. joining me now is political science professor and political chief correspondent for politics 365, jason johnson, and republican strategist, ron bon john. some say the fact that we're not hearing much of washington is a good sign, and in this case, silence is golden. you guys agree? >> yeah, i definitely do. look, one of...
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obama cut medicare by $716 billion, which the democrats call savings. >> get back to medicare. and lengthen the strength for at least a decade. as well as increasing benefits now. we have addressed entitlements. >> the trust fund for the hospital cost runs out of official money in 20424 so it has to be changed to be saved. bret? >> more on that in a series next week. jim, thank you. still ahead could this be the next penn state? the head of a huge fraternal organization is accused of child sexual assault. years ago, my doctor told me to take a centrum silver multivitamin every day. i told him, sure. can't hurt, right? then i heard this news about a multivitamin study looking at long-term health benefits for men over 50. the one they used in that study... centrum silver. that's what i take. my doctor! he knows his stuff. [ male announcer ] centrum. the most recommended. most preferred. most studied. centrum, always your most complete. tomato, obviously. haha. there's more than that though, there's a kick to it. wahlalalalallala! smooth, but crisp. it's kind of like drinking a fo
obama cut medicare by $716 billion, which the democrats call savings. >> get back to medicare. and lengthen the strength for at least a decade. as well as increasing benefits now. we have addressed entitlements. >> the trust fund for the hospital cost runs out of official money in 20424 so it has to be changed to be saved. bret? >> more on that in a series next week. jim, thank you. still ahead could this be the next penn state? the head of a huge fraternal organization is...
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this look, obama recommended or proposed cutting the defense department and he was attacked viciously by republics. so, the idea that like he never suggest cuts is kind of absurd. >> bill: do you really think barack obama wants meaningful cuts in government? really? really? >> as much as republicans do. look, he got attacked all through the campaign for cutting medicare, right? so the people who claim that they want all these cuts, what do they do? they attack the president when he proposes cuts and they refuse to put anything specific on their proposal. what they sent back was just a number. >> bill: all right. okay. i got it. i got it. i got it. i'm just tired of this whole business. i think we should cut 10% across the board and then, you know, keep taxes the way they are and try to stimulate the economy by the private sector. plenty more ahead as the factor moves along this evening. >> i will tell diane. >> bill: charlie brown thrown under the bus by a church pastor in arkansas. how could this possibly happen in america? tell you what's going on. also, dennis miller having to deal
this look, obama recommended or proposed cutting the defense department and he was attacked viciously by republics. so, the idea that like he never suggest cuts is kind of absurd. >> bill: do you really think barack obama wants meaningful cuts in government? really? really? >> as much as republicans do. look, he got attacked all through the campaign for cutting medicare, right? so the people who claim that they want all these cuts, what do they do? they attack the president when he...
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it will be tax cuts. obama's premise that this country'country'scountry's firse fraudulent and he's fixing it, and they'll be etched in stone. tax cuts. >> the president has given the republicans flexibility to come up with a credible, specific plan. what they offered in return was an empty letter. >> when it comes to fiscal cliff that's threat nick our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> tax cuts is what caused the fall of the united states from super power status. >> this president just won a big election and you would think that he would want to lead. >> we've had the election. the president was clear in the campaign that he was advocating and fighting for the middle income tax cuts. >> tax cuts. the whole premise of tax cuts is going to be blamed for all of this economic mess. >> this is a moment of truth. the clock is ticking, christmas it coming, the goose is getting fat. in many homes across america, it's a very, very lean time. >> the reports indicate that the
it will be tax cuts. obama's premise that this country'country'scountry's firse fraudulent and he's fixing it, and they'll be etched in stone. tax cuts. >> the president has given the republicans flexibility to come up with a credible, specific plan. what they offered in return was an empty letter. >> when it comes to fiscal cliff that's threat nick our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> tax cuts is what caused the fall of the united...
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back real spending cuts. >> we with r running out of time. time to to see if the president is willing to cut any spending at all. >> ia carney held up the president's budget plan again. >> it's not a mystery. we have seen this before. this is the document that contains the specific spending cuths. >> except in that budget, the president includes $100 billion in medicaid cuts. that would have come from shifting more costs to states. yet; just yesterday the department of health and human services revealed it no longer supports those cuts. because the supreme court landmark healthcare decision allows states to opt out of the new laws medicate expansion. when carney was pressed today on how to white house will make up the spending cut, he hedged minutes after demanding more specifics from bane baun on taxes. >> i have to get you more -- see if we have more specifics for you. >> this comes a the white house thinks the heavy pressure from the fellow democrats who today demanded no cuts to any of the health entitlement programs. >> we are not budgin
back real spending cuts. >> we with r running out of time. time to to see if the president is willing to cut any spending at all. >> ia carney held up the president's budget plan again. >> it's not a mystery. we have seen this before. this is the document that contains the specific spending cuths. >> except in that budget, the president includes $100 billion in medicaid cuts. that would have come from shifting more costs to states. yet; just yesterday the department of...
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obama two years ago exnded all the bush tax cuts for two years. there is no reason not to do that again. his reason --. melissa: he ll not agree it though. seems like the only way to get a deal done heres to give an inch much of ground? >> there is no deal if he wants to raise taxes. -phe can veto any, the republicans have already passed through the house making those tax cuts permanent. if the gnat, which hasn't acted, hasn't voted, remember the reason whwhy we have this odd position of some of t weird polling that you're talking about which is different thanhe traditional polling is that we've had news blackout about whatoesn inside these negotiations. we've been insisting that we should have those negotiations between boehner, reid, everybody foets harry reid is in the room and obama with c-span cameras there so every american can see what actual happens. if they saw what they're talking about, we would have a much better deal at the end of the day. melissa: i don't know. i think we wld a be in agony watchin what was happening there. >> you wou
obama two years ago exnded all the bush tax cuts for two years. there is no reason not to do that again. his reason --. melissa: he ll not agree it though. seems like the only way to get a deal done heres to give an inch much of ground? >> there is no deal if he wants to raise taxes. -phe can veto any, the republicans have already passed through the house making those tax cuts permanent. if the gnat, which hasn't acted, hasn't voted, remember the reason whwhy we have this odd position of...
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if we do what president obama wants to do, it will only increase the gdp by 1.25%, having said that, it's just not about tax cuts, doug, it's more about cutting wasteful government spending. >> i was going to ask doug about that. doug, would you admit. since we have a democrat in the white house and also, the senate is democratically controlled. would you agree and how much is there of wasteful spending in washington? >> oh, there's a lot of wasteful spending, it's been around for before president obama was in office. and as i said before, he has, with the house republicans has already signed in law a trillion dollars in cut. and he'll do more. and i think that's encouraging and i think that shows he's willing to be plexable there, to angela's point which i agree with, a lot of what you're seeing is political theater. >> jamie: we're running out of time, doug. >> i agree. and that's true, but look, neither side wants to go over the cliff. politically it would be disastrous. >> for both sides. >> exactly, and for the president, he's the got an ambitious agenda next year, he wants to d
if we do what president obama wants to do, it will only increase the gdp by 1.25%, having said that, it's just not about tax cuts, doug, it's more about cutting wasteful government spending. >> i was going to ask doug about that. doug, would you admit. since we have a democrat in the white house and also, the senate is democratically controlled. would you agree and how much is there of wasteful spending in washington? >> oh, there's a lot of wasteful spending, it's been around for...
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that president obama asked for of 400, almost $485 billion in 2011, even with the cuts in the army that that would have involved, the army would have still been roughly 30 or 40,000 troops bigger than it was when i became secretary in december of 2006. because i increased the size of the army by 65,000 in 2007, and then gave them an additional temporary increels of 2000 in 2008, or in 2010, rather, increels of 200,000, so i worry we think the answer is always go to be high tech, because it is cleaner, it is -- it dictates a different kind of war than we fought in iraq and afghanistan and i hope those are the kind of wars, if we have to fight, that that is what we don't have to go through what we went through in iraq and afghanistan, but i remember .. one of my favorite quotes is from general joe still well, from world war two, who basically said how a war starts, it always ends in mud. >> rose: ground forces fighting each other. >> and so you just don't know .. and because you don't know, you need to preserve flexibility. >> rose: you can't occupy with machines, can you, from the air? >
that president obama asked for of 400, almost $485 billion in 2011, even with the cuts in the army that that would have involved, the army would have still been roughly 30 or 40,000 troops bigger than it was when i became secretary in december of 2006. because i increased the size of the army by 65,000 in 2007, and then gave them an additional temporary increels of 2000 in 2008, or in 2010, rather, increels of 200,000, so i worry we think the answer is always go to be high tech, because it is...
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number three, we have the tax cuts, both the bush tax cuts and the obama tax cuts which have severely reduced the amount of revenue. the tax burden on americans from the federal government today is at an 80-year low. we simply cannot find the government with their revenues and the loss of jobs that we have. >> host: let me go back to you on that. is that true? >> the cbo has done a study. he got rid of all the current tax cuts, including the payroll tax cut, all parts of the biggest tax cut, not just the top level, and you have sequestration, so you actually have spending cuts, you could reduce that federal budget deficit to about 250- $300 billion in very short order. so this is a combination. we have had spending increases. let's not kid ourselves. we're coming of the worst. were spinning is dropping precipitously, and we're still running trillion dollar deficit. it's not all about the worst. it's about taxes and other spending. in the future let's not forget it will be in the social security and medicare and medicaid and all of which go into making ---financing around the end of th
number three, we have the tax cuts, both the bush tax cuts and the obama tax cuts which have severely reduced the amount of revenue. the tax burden on americans from the federal government today is at an 80-year low. we simply cannot find the government with their revenues and the loss of jobs that we have. >> host: let me go back to you on that. is that true? >> the cbo has done a study. he got rid of all the current tax cuts, including the payroll tax cut, all parts of the biggest...
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protesters have gathered inside the statehouse saying the law could lead to big pay cuts. yesterday, president obama spoke out against it forcefully. 23 states, the ones in yellow, have the right-to-work laws. to pass in the state of michigan is a huge development. that is the heart of organized labor. a defeat there could signal trouble if unions across the nation. we have mike tobin from the capital in lansing. what is the status of the legislation? >>reporter: a bill regarding right-to-work for public sector employees is on the way to the governor's desk. a similar bill for private employees is hung up by a motion to reconsider which needs to be approved by the legislature falling on party lines. the motion will fail. it is a way of saying the bill related to private sector employees is on the way to the governor's desk but taking a longer time to get there. the democratic leadership will admit right-to-work is going to be a reality in the cradle of organized labor. >>shepard: what is the scene like? >>reporter: it is calmed down. there was a dustup earlier. there was o
protesters have gathered inside the statehouse saying the law could lead to big pay cuts. yesterday, president obama spoke out against it forcefully. 23 states, the ones in yellow, have the right-to-work laws. to pass in the state of michigan is a huge development. that is the heart of organized labor. a defeat there could signal trouble if unions across the nation. we have mike tobin from the capital in lansing. what is the status of the legislation? >>reporter: a bill regarding...
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promising to cut the red tape. now have they all forgotten about the victims? we're back with our political panel. john, you can see the frustration, you know. the man blasting president obama about his vacation to hawaii, just said he doesn't have electricity. you know, what about it? >> it's perfectly understandable and justified. i mean, you have the entire national media swoop in for a story where president obama and chris christie shook hands and that was supposed to be his great heartwarming moment where they were going to come together to fix things. now a month later there are real problems here and government just simply hasn't been working for a lot of these people. you have stories where there are perfectlily got fema trailers sitting in pennsylvania when they could be put to use in new york or new jersey. >> greta: why aren't they there? >> no one knows. i don't know. you hear people telling stories about filling out forms, people who are approved to use the money to stay at a marriott but not a comfort
promising to cut the red tape. now have they all forgotten about the victims? we're back with our political panel. john, you can see the frustration, you know. the man blasting president obama about his vacation to hawaii, just said he doesn't have electricity. you know, what about it? >> it's perfectly understandable and justified. i mean, you have the entire national media swoop in for a story where president obama and chris christie shook hands and that was supposed to be his great...
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, the bush tax cuts and the obama tax cuts which have severely reduced the amount of revenue. the tax burden on americans from the federal government today is an 80-year low. we cannot fund the government with the revenues and loss in jobs that we have. host: cbo has done a study. including all parts of the tax cuts, and you have sequestration, you could increase the budget in very short order. this is a combination. we of had spending increases. the worst spending is dropping precipitously and we're still running a $1 billion deficit. it is about taxes, it is about other spending. in the future it will be about social security and medicare and medicaid, all of which go into negative financing at the end of the decade. guest: the debt doubling has been the consequence of tax cuts, lower revenues, the layoffs that happened and the recession we are still somewhat in. it is not true that if all the social entitlement programs going to the red at the end of the decade -- social security is likely to be very heavily financed by itself right through 2014. -- 2040. medicare has a rea
, the bush tax cuts and the obama tax cuts which have severely reduced the amount of revenue. the tax burden on americans from the federal government today is an 80-year low. we cannot fund the government with the revenues and loss in jobs that we have. host: cbo has done a study. including all parts of the tax cuts, and you have sequestration, you could increase the budget in very short order. this is a combination. we of had spending increases. the worst spending is dropping precipitously and...
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president obama has put a 45-page plan out, 27 pages of spending cuts in his plan. now, is that not enough for republicans? negotiate that. >> now, a new analysis was put out, crystal, by gop strategist with heirs is getting some attention. it describes the gop as a regional party with few national pros pekts. and it says republicans have run out of persuadable white voters. when you look at that and the new nbc poll shows that only two groups view the republican party favored, white southerners and rural americans. when you come pain what heirs is saying and the poll, they have really closed the boundaries on their own party. and unless they can seek to expand and change their policies and, therefore, their branding, they will be a party that continues to diminish. >> that's absolutely right. this was the last election where there was any chance with their coalition, they could win a national election. if they don't expand, forget it. it's off the table for 2016. there's no way. and i think in a lot of ways, they're driving that picture about republicans. they're i
president obama has put a 45-page plan out, 27 pages of spending cuts in his plan. now, is that not enough for republicans? negotiate that. >> now, a new analysis was put out, crystal, by gop strategist with heirs is getting some attention. it describes the gop as a regional party with few national pros pekts. and it says republicans have run out of persuadable white voters. when you look at that and the new nbc poll shows that only two groups view the republican party favored, white...
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well, 28 days to go until tax cuts expire for most americans if president obama and congress can't cut a deal to keep us from going off the fiscal cliff. the president says the latest republic offer is out of balance because it extends tax cuts on income of above $250,000. g.o.p. leaders claim they can raise revenue without raising rates by closing loopholes and limiting deductions. but the white house says it's about the rates. ed henry is at the white house tonight. the president claims the republic math does not add up. >> that's right, shep. he met with the nation's governors today. he said behind closed doors that there is a lot at stake not just for the national economy but state by state. some of their budgets could take a major hit if, in fact, the nation goes off the so-called fiscal cliff. his spokesman jay carney was even tougher in going after speaker john boehner's latest proposal in saying it simply doesn't add up. >> we don't know who pays. we don't know what we're talking about in terms of actual legislation to increase revenues. it's magic beans and fairy dust. >> the
well, 28 days to go until tax cuts expire for most americans if president obama and congress can't cut a deal to keep us from going off the fiscal cliff. the president says the latest republic offer is out of balance because it extends tax cuts on income of above $250,000. g.o.p. leaders claim they can raise revenue without raising rates by closing loopholes and limiting deductions. but the white house says it's about the rates. ed henry is at the white house tonight. the president claims the...
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is going to cut a deal or is going to try to cut a deal with the iranian regime over the nuclear weapons program that will, in fact, sacrifice people the iran. i'd like to ask ali if you could add on how to tie together u.s. national security interest, and the human rights agenda because i happen to believe the best investment we can make in u.s. national security is to help the people of iran get rid of the regime. >> the united states has good experience in this regard. many people in this, in this group assembled here today belong to the white age group. you remember, some of you, the bad or old days of the cold war, but you also remember how the united states managed to start and have the process with the soviet union, and the idea was that negotiations between the united states should be built into the negotiations, and that hugely encouraged the soviets society who felt that there was international support for them, and they knew that there was a government outside of their own system trying to give them a voice. that was very, very important. another very important fact was that y
is going to cut a deal or is going to try to cut a deal with the iranian regime over the nuclear weapons program that will, in fact, sacrifice people the iran. i'd like to ask ali if you could add on how to tie together u.s. national security interest, and the human rights agenda because i happen to believe the best investment we can make in u.s. national security is to help the people of iran get rid of the regime. >> the united states has good experience in this regard. many people in...
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>> i am fine with cutting spending levels. [talking over each other] [talking over each other] megyn: great job. coming up, bob costas offers verification on his talk about gun culture after a murder suicide of a nfl player. and police traffic cameras. red light cameras in one city are the subject of a major class-action. why drivers claimed the cameras keeping neighborhoods if they are big methods of bringing in cash megyn: sportscaster bob costas offering clarification for his on-air comments about the nfl player who shot his girlfriend and then killed himself last weekend. those comments were made during the eagles and cowboys football game on sunday night. he blamed what he called america's gun culture for america's case of gun violence. here's a little from the comments on sunday night the matter tandems do not enhance our safety. they exacerbate our flaws. they beat us into embracing confrontation rather than avoiding it. in coming days, javon pilcher's actions and attention to football will be analyzed. who knows, but h
>> i am fine with cutting spending levels. [talking over each other] [talking over each other] megyn: great job. coming up, bob costas offers verification on his talk about gun culture after a murder suicide of a nfl player. and police traffic cameras. red light cameras in one city are the subject of a major class-action. why drivers claimed the cameras keeping neighborhoods if they are big methods of bringing in cash megyn: sportscaster bob costas offering clarification for his on-air...
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obama will insist on only tax increases. let's bring in scott rasmusson from rasmusson reports. take us behind the numbers. what do you see here? >> the reason they are losing the war is they think it is about deficit reduction. they think it won't lead to serious deficit reduction. the president is talking about a fairness issue. since the republicans aren't engaging on that, he is winning. >> so what about raising taxes? president obama is standing firm on his position to raise taxes on the nation's top earners. how do people feel about that? joy they like that idea. -- >> they like that idea. 52% want a caned de who agrees. and the republicans are struggling with the opposition to all tax increase position. i think the most telling number is that a majority of americans want taxes to go up on the americans and one in five think it is too much to reduce the deficit. they reduce the tax hikes not for deficit reduction, but because it is the best thing to do. >> at a time when the american public is sort of expecting the def
obama will insist on only tax increases. let's bring in scott rasmusson from rasmusson reports. take us behind the numbers. what do you see here? >> the reason they are losing the war is they think it is about deficit reduction. they think it won't lead to serious deficit reduction. the president is talking about a fairness issue. since the republicans aren't engaging on that, he is winning. >> so what about raising taxes? president obama is standing firm on his position to raise...
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there might be a slight difference here, you think back to the debt ceiling in the summer of 2011, obama put some social security, put some medicare, put some medicare stuff on the table t looked like in if boehner said grow that going to have support from pelosi you never know for sure, we can get to that point. i think talking to a number of democrats in washington, i get the sense that liberals in congress look at the situation right now a little differently. in the summer of 2011, they were up against a debt default. now up against this january 1st deadline if they say no to a deal, tax rates go up, social security and medicare don't get touched. they maybe have a little more leverage here than we appreciated? >> they do. and it is i think what one part of this where the republicans don't appreciate sort of the bokts president could potentially be in.box the president could potentially be in. he can't author them. the same way boehner is signalling to the president, don't make me say i'm for raising tax rates. if your going to wait for that, you're going to wait -- some point, maybe
there might be a slight difference here, you think back to the debt ceiling in the summer of 2011, obama put some social security, put some medicare, put some medicare stuff on the table t looked like in if boehner said grow that going to have support from pelosi you never know for sure, we can get to that point. i think talking to a number of democrats in washington, i get the sense that liberals in congress look at the situation right now a little differently. in the summer of 2011, they were...
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and it is foolish to reject president obama's own self-described architecture of $3 in spending cuts for every dollar in new revenue. we are prepared to work and call on the white house to do the same thing. >> speaker boehner, president obama, the white house projection last offer -- [inaudible] 53% of americans will blame republicans in congress if you go over the fiscal cliff. how long can you have that hard line on those making 250 and above. >> america faces a very serious problem and our goal is to make sure it gets solved. we have a debt problem that is out of control. we have got to cut spending and i believe it is appropriate to put revenues on the table. the receive news we are putting on the table are going to come from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the same people pay more -- more of their money to the federal government without raising the tax rates which we believe will harm our economy. [inaudible question] >> i think our members understand the seriousness of the situation that our country faces. trillion dollar defi
and it is foolish to reject president obama's own self-described architecture of $3 in spending cuts for every dollar in new revenue. we are prepared to work and call on the white house to do the same thing. >> speaker boehner, president obama, the white house projection last offer -- [inaudible] 53% of americans will blame republicans in congress if you go over the fiscal cliff. how long can you have that hard line on those making 250 and above. >> america faces a very serious...
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, the bush tax cuts and the obama tax cuts which have severely reduced the amount of revenue. the tax burden on americans from the federal government today is an 80-year low. we cannot fund the government with the revenues and loss in jobs that we have. host: cbo has done a study. including all parts of the tax cuts, and you have sequestration, you could increase the budget in very short order. this is a combination. we have had spending increases. the worst spending is dropping precipitously and we're still running a $1 billion deficit. it is about taxes, it is about other spending. in the future it will be about social security and medicare and medicaid, all of which go into negative financing at the end of the decade. guest: the debt doubling has been the consequence of tax cuts, lower revenues, the layoffs that happened and the recession we are still somewhat in. it is not true that all the social entitlement programs are going to the red at the end of the decade -- social security is likely to be very heavily financed by itself right through 2040. medicare has a real prob
, the bush tax cuts and the obama tax cuts which have severely reduced the amount of revenue. the tax burden on americans from the federal government today is an 80-year low. we cannot fund the government with the revenues and loss in jobs that we have. host: cbo has done a study. including all parts of the tax cuts, and you have sequestration, you could increase the budget in very short order. this is a combination. we have had spending increases. the worst spending is dropping precipitously...
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the obama administration has cut way back on the numbers of those, on the deployment, and on the development of the new generation of kill vehicles. they have cut the funding for that. a system that can be both an effective american defense system and protect regional interests, such as europe, for example, from a threat from a country like iran, for example. the great pronouncement in bowling to provide the rationale for cutting way back on the gbi was that we are going to have something even better. of course everybody said wait a minute. the fourth stage of that would be very effective against a missile launched by mistake or perhaps by a rogue commander. in any event, the russians are now saying under no circumstances should you develop that. they not only object to a missile defense system that might potentially be effective against them, let alone other countries. they also have been putting enough pressure that i wonder if the administration will go forward as what they characterize as a substitute for gbi. >> i think a couple of lessons have been larger over the last 10 years and may
the obama administration has cut way back on the numbers of those, on the deployment, and on the development of the new generation of kill vehicles. they have cut the funding for that. a system that can be both an effective american defense system and protect regional interests, such as europe, for example, from a threat from a country like iran, for example. the great pronouncement in bowling to provide the rationale for cutting way back on the gbi was that we are going to have something even...
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look at that number. 89% say president obama should agree to that deal. house speaker john boehner says the president is not even meeting republicans halfway. here he is. >> this plan does not fulfill his promise to bring a balanced approach to solving this problem. it is mainly tax hikes. and his plan does not begin to solve our debt crisis. it actually encreases spending. the president is calling for 1.4 trillion dollars worth of revenue. that can not pass the house or the senate. bill: south dakota senator john thune chairman of the republican senate conference. good morning to you. >> good morning, bill, where are we now? anywhere? >> that is the question of the day. what seems to me to be happening here is that the white house is not real serious about any kind of a plan that has spending reductions in it, particularly that address what really drives federal spending. that is entitlement programs. they seem less and less serious getting a plan that would avert the fiscal cliff. why i think you heard a number of them say publicly they're willing to go
look at that number. 89% say president obama should agree to that deal. house speaker john boehner says the president is not even meeting republicans halfway. here he is. >> this plan does not fulfill his promise to bring a balanced approach to solving this problem. it is mainly tax hikes. and his plan does not begin to solve our debt crisis. it actually encreases spending. the president is calling for 1.4 trillion dollars worth of revenue. that can not pass the house or the senate. bill:...
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so what guaranteed cuts is the president offering? >> nothing yet. he put a lot on the table in the summer of 2011 when it was john boehner again and obama, they almost got a grand bargain e. talked about raising the medicare eligibility age to 67 over a certain amount of time. making changes to cost of living. statements to soegt social security. right now there is nothing on the table. that was obama's opening bid. the republicans were miffed at him, they knew he wouldn't give them exactly what they'd accept. a few said they were inch superintendented like that. again you don't want to negotiate with yourself, you want to start over here and get in the middle to set up some type of deal. don't expect any deal until christmas at the earliest. >> reporter: let's go back to the tax cuts you're talking about. president obama wants to raise revenue by taxing those making $250,000 or more a year. it rises from 33% and 35% today to 36% and 39.6%, i believe. but that would only generate about 85 billion a year. according to the treasury department, the fed
so what guaranteed cuts is the president offering? >> nothing yet. he put a lot on the table in the summer of 2011 when it was john boehner again and obama, they almost got a grand bargain e. talked about raising the medicare eligibility age to 67 over a certain amount of time. making changes to cost of living. statements to soegt social security. right now there is nothing on the table. that was obama's opening bid. the republicans were miffed at him, they knew he wouldn't give them...
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up with more entitlement cuts. jon: jenna had a great segment earlier about milton friedman and what would he do in this situation. >> yes. jon: he said or he was of the opinion if you give the government more money in any form they will figure out a way to spend it. >> senator rubio put it best. he said to create a successful economy, to create successful america we needless government, limited government. instead of making richer people poorer, make poor people richer. instead of new taxes create new taxpayers. we give money to the american people. they know best how to spend their money than big brother government. jon: are you optimist or pessimist when it comes to the question of whether we go over the fiscal cliff? >> i think president obama loves this country and is a patriot and boehner is a patriot and i believe they will work out a deal. if they don't make a deal, 28 million americans will pay alternative minimum tax and families will have their taxes raised $2,000 more and give more in this bad economy.
up with more entitlement cuts. jon: jenna had a great segment earlier about milton friedman and what would he do in this situation. >> yes. jon: he said or he was of the opinion if you give the government more money in any form they will figure out a way to spend it. >> senator rubio put it best. he said to create a successful economy, to create successful america we needless government, limited government. instead of making richer people poorer, make poor people richer. instead of...
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racheting up the rhetoric. >> we can and should do more than just extend middle class tax cuts. and i stand ready to work with republicans or a plan that spurs economic growth, creates jobs and reduces our deficit. a plan that gives both sides some of what they want. >> tax increases will not solve our $16 trillion debt. only economic growth and a reform of entitlement programs will help control the debt. we must reform our complicated, uncertain job-killing tax code by getting rid of unjustifi loo holls. >> molly ball and david nakamura. thanks for joining me. >> good to be here. >> david so house speaker john boehner says there's no progress to report. the white house says republicans are to blame for dragging their feet. it seems at least publicly we're getting nowhere. is there anything bigger churning behind the scenes? >> alex, i wish i had good news for you. there's not much going on. certainly at the staff level there's still talks going on. the president did have an onization with john boehner. both sides publicly at least are blaming the others for delaying here. i thi
racheting up the rhetoric. >> we can and should do more than just extend middle class tax cuts. and i stand ready to work with republicans or a plan that spurs economic growth, creates jobs and reduces our deficit. a plan that gives both sides some of what they want. >> tax increases will not solve our $16 trillion debt. only economic growth and a reform of entitlement programs will help control the debt. we must reform our complicated, uncertain job-killing tax code by getting rid...
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obama's view is we've cut so much from that already we have to be careful how much more we cut. >> when you talk about discretionary spending cuts, a big difference between defense cuts and domestic cuts. does it go after defense spending the way he has? >> he hasn't spelled it out yet. we don't know. r&d, a lot of investment programs we think we need to keep this economy growing. >> can i ask a question? what makes up the difference between the bowles-simpson proposals and the other ones? why is that so much higher? what are they leaving out? >> there were more tax increases. it was light on entitlements. >> okay. >> where did bowles-simpson get the revenue. >> they eliminated a whole slaw and lowering rates and also a tax on gasoline. >> they let the bush tax cuts expire, right? >> initially they did and then were going to do tax reform. >> would they increase the taxes on the rich? >> yeah. >> they would? >> yes. >> to the same extent? >> i would have to do the math. >> don't you do any homework? >> numbers cruncher. dad, thank you so much. i wasn't chained in any way. >> no, he didn
obama's view is we've cut so much from that already we have to be careful how much more we cut. >> when you talk about discretionary spending cuts, a big difference between defense cuts and domestic cuts. does it go after defense spending the way he has? >> he hasn't spelled it out yet. we don't know. r&d, a lot of investment programs we think we need to keep this economy growing. >> can i ask a question? what makes up the difference between the bowles-simpson proposals...
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as president obama and congressional leaders race to avert the fiscal cliff, americans remain concerned that whatever budget deal they strike will cut too much from medicare and social security, according to the poll. more of the americans surveyed are worried about such cutbacks than seeing their tax bills rise, the latest united technologies national journal congressional connection poll has found. and i was looking at who was involved in the poll, and in total 35% of americans worry it will cut too much from government programs like medicare and social security. 27%, that's eight points less, that it will raise taxes on people like you. 15% it won't meet its targets for reducing the federal deficit and debt. 13% it will allow too much for federal -- for too much federal spending. only 13% are worried it will allow for too much federal spending in the next two years. but when i looked at, for example, women, 40% of women are most worried about those cuts in social security and medicare and other government programs. 46% of people whose income of $30,000 or less, that's what they're re
as president obama and congressional leaders race to avert the fiscal cliff, americans remain concerned that whatever budget deal they strike will cut too much from medicare and social security, according to the poll. more of the americans surveyed are worried about such cutbacks than seeing their tax bills rise, the latest united technologies national journal congressional connection poll has found. and i was looking at who was involved in the poll, and in total 35% of americans worry it will...
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speaker john boehner is still waiting for a new proposal from president obama, that is all uncording to an unnamed aide to the speaker. meanwhile some republicans are calling on speaker john boehner to give the president what he wants on taxes so the party can focus on cutting entitlement programs. >> a lot of people are putting forth a theory, and i actually think it has merit where you go ahead and give the president the 2% increase that he's talking about, the rate increase on the top 2%, and all of a sudden the shift goes back to entitlements. >> if speaker john boehner ends up with senator corker has just said he is we will get a large agreement. but speaker john boehner hasn't said that, and so we democrats realize that there have to be two sides to this bargain. jon: special report anchor bret baier joins us now in washington. if people like senator corker say the tax increases would be okay with them on the highs income earners in this country it seems that that is bound to be part of the deal that transpires here. >> reporter: jon, senator cork eris not in the house corkerre
speaker john boehner is still waiting for a new proposal from president obama, that is all uncording to an unnamed aide to the speaker. meanwhile some republicans are calling on speaker john boehner to give the president what he wants on taxes so the party can focus on cutting entitlement programs. >> a lot of people are putting forth a theory, and i actually think it has merit where you go ahead and give the president the 2% increase that he's talking about, the rate increase on the top...
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. >> gretchen: if income taxes go up, should president obama make spending cuts as well? 90 percent said yes. you know why they say yes? that would be fair. if you are going to makelet cuts and increase taxes. people want fair want all right. mr. president take a look. farrah play. >> brian: number one john boehner told everyone in the house plan on coming back after christmas. he said we might do a plan b extend the bush tax cuts. except for those making over $250,000 . reopen the debate for the debt ceiling. time seems too short to get this done and written up. >> gretchen: this is not about time. it is it about people standing their ground. negotiations go up to the last finite minute. people can stand at the courthouse. mr. #1: dont like the way it is working. >> gretchen: if they wanted a deal done. >> steve: the president doesn't want a deal. >> gretchen: they go to the last minute. they should fedex, the poll. income tax go up should the president agree it spending cuts. 89 percent of the americans whompt has that kind of approval rating in the united states. spend
. >> gretchen: if income taxes go up, should president obama make spending cuts as well? 90 percent said yes. you know why they say yes? that would be fair. if you are going to makelet cuts and increase taxes. people want fair want all right. mr. president take a look. farrah play. >> brian: number one john boehner told everyone in the house plan on coming back after christmas. he said we might do a plan b extend the bush tax cuts. except for those making over $250,000 . reopen the...
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now defense cuts. more and more republicans are saying that they're willing to talk about it. >> good. >> saying it junt cuts their credibility on other spending issues. >> good. >> it's the pentagon. >> there is so much waste in the pentagon. it's one of the few bureaucracies you can't audit. it is impossible. whether you're talking to peter peterson, dave walker, they tell you, you can't audit the pentagon. it is impossible. >> and yet there are some republicans you say who are willing to go out on a ledge and say it's time to look at this. and what are the costs of doing that politically? >> well, they are, and part of it is the changing times. it's not the cold war anymore. it's these younger members who are coming up. also to be consistent, you have members saying why are we opposing the sequester? why are we panicked that these spending cuts might take place? this is what we want. so that's another fight that's in the conference. are they going to be totally consistent on spending, or are they go
now defense cuts. more and more republicans are saying that they're willing to talk about it. >> good. >> saying it junt cuts their credibility on other spending issues. >> good. >> it's the pentagon. >> there is so much waste in the pentagon. it's one of the few bureaucracies you can't audit. it is impossible. whether you're talking to peter peterson, dave walker, they tell you, you can't audit the pentagon. it is impossible. >> and yet there are some...
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you said that. >> which is why i'm glad that president obama had the courage to end the bush tax cuts two years ago -- oh, wait a second. i'll tell you what. you know what? >> i agree with you. >> extended them for two more years, but at least now he's got the nerve, the courage to do what democrats have been saying all along, and end the bush -- oh, wait a second. no. he's actually keeping 98% of them. huh. >> look, he's keeping it for 98% of the country. i happen to agree. you know, i'm a supporter of the simpson-bowles approach, but we are where we are right now. and i think to chuck's point, this may make it -- and to your point -- and they may get to a point where this is very uncomfortable for democrats. again, $2 trillion, both are asking for that, it with certainly get us through the year, avoid sequestration, avoid the pain that many in the business community are concerned about. if we start growing again, imagine how easy this conversation will be next year if the economy is growing at 3% to 4%. >> yes, and the spirit of jack kemp rises from the table of "morning joe." >> gr
you said that. >> which is why i'm glad that president obama had the courage to end the bush tax cuts two years ago -- oh, wait a second. i'll tell you what. you know what? >> i agree with you. >> extended them for two more years, but at least now he's got the nerve, the courage to do what democrats have been saying all along, and end the bush -- oh, wait a second. no. he's actually keeping 98% of them. huh. >> look, he's keeping it for 98% of the country. i happen to...